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Friday, July 11, 2008

ICC Prosecutor To Charge Sudan's President with Genocide
I mentioned last month that the ICC Prosecutor, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, was considering bringing genocide charges against Sudanese officials far more senior than Ahmed Haroun, the country's "humanitarian affairs" minister. Well, he's now decided to do exactly that — and his target is no other than Omar Hassan al-Bashir, the President of Sudan himself:
The chief prosecutor of the Internationals Criminal Court will seek an arrest warrant Monday for Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir, charging him with genocide and crimes against humanity in the orchestration of a campaign of violence that led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in the nation's Darfur region during the past five years, according to U.N. officials and diplomats.

The action by the prosecutor, Luis Moreno-Ocampo of Argentina, will mark the first time that the tribunal in The Hague charges a sitting head of state with such crimes, and represents a major step by the court to implicate the highest levels of the Sudanese government for the atrocities in Darfur.

[snip]

"I will present my case and my evidence to the [ICC] judges, and they will take two to three months to decide," Moreno-Ocampo said in an interview Wednesday, referring to a pretrial panel made up of judges from Brazil, Ghana and Latvia. "We will request a warrant of arrest, and the judges have to evaluate the evidence." On Thursday, Moreno-Ocampo's office said in a statement that the prosecutor will "summarize the evidence, the crimes and name individual(s) charged" at a news conference Monday in The Hague.
Wow. To say this is a bold move — and one fraught with danger — is an understatement. I've long disagreed with Julian about whether the ICC's involvement in Darfur undermines the peace process (which is better referred to as the "peace process," because the Sudanese government has never been committed to it). But this time I think Julian's concerns have to be taken very seriously. The UN is certainly worried:
Some U.N. officials raised concerns Thursday that the decision would complicate the peace process in Darfur, possibly triggering a military response by Sudanese forces or proxies against the nearly 10,000 U.N. and African Union peacekeepers located there. At least seven peacekeepers were killed and 22 were injured Tuesday during an ambush by a well-organized and unidentified armed group.

[snip]

Representatives from the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council — Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States — met with U.N. officials Thursday to discuss the safety of peacekeepers in Darfur. U.N. military planners have begun moving peacekeepers to safer locations and are distributing food and equipment in case the Sudanese government cuts off supplies.

"All bets are off; anything could happen," said one U.N. official, adding that circumstantial evidence shows that the government of Sudan orchestrated this week's ambush. "The mission is so fragile, it would not take much for the whole thing to come crashing down."
If there was a reasonable chance that indicting Bashir would convince China and Russia to discontinue their economic, political, and military support for Khartoum, these risks might be worth it. But that is obviously unlikely to happen — both countries have consistently opposed the ICC's efforts in Darfur and will no doubt oppose this new move, as well.

As a side note, I am very anxious to find out what evidence the Prosecutor has that ostensibly proves Bashir is guilty of genocide. As I pointed out in my previous post, the Security Council-sponsored International Commission of Inquiry on Darfur specifically — and controversially, to be sure — recommended that the ICC not pursue genocide charges against the Sudanese government:
The Commission concluded that the Government of the Sudan has not pursued a policy of genocide. Arguably, two elements of genocide might be deduced from the gross violations of human rights perpetrated by Government forces and the militias under their control. These two elements are, first, the actus reus consisting of killing, or causing serious bodily or mental harm, or deliberately inflicting conditions of life likely to bring about physical destruction; and, second, on the basis of a subjective standard, the existence of a protected group being targeted by the authors of criminal conduct. However, the crucial element of genocidal intent appears to be missing, at least as far as the central Government authorities are concerned. Generally speaking the policy of attacking, killing and forcibly displacing members of some tribes does not evince a specific intent to annihilate, in whole or in part, a group distinguished on racial, ethnic, national or religious grounds. Rather, it would seem that those who planned and organized attacks on villages pursued the intent to drive the victims from their homes, primarily for purposes of counter-insurgency warfare.
Though I'm sympathetic to those who want to call the atrocities in Darfur "genocide," I've always found the Commission's legal analysis of the situation quite persuasive. So I hope that the Prosecutor's subsequent investigations have uncovered new evidence that the Sudanese government was not simply — if murderously — trying to maintain its power in the face of a concerted rebel threat. If they haven't, it will look like Moreno-Ocampo is simply giving into political pressure.

Once again — wow. I don't know what else to say. First the Court stays the Lubanga trial. Now the Prosecutor seeks to indict and arrest the President of the Sudan. This is turning out to be quite a week for the ICC...

More on the story as it develops.

Saturday, July 5, 2008

Problems in Lubanga Resolved?
According to the ICC President and Prosecutor, Lubanga's trial can now continue, because the UN has agreed to turn over the disputed evidence to the Trial Chamber and the defense:
"The obstacles have been lifted," chief prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo told journalists on the sidelines of a ceremony in The Hague to mark the 10th anniversary of the Rome Treaty that led to the court's creation.

Lubanga's trial would be the ICC's first.

Court president Philippe Kirsch said the main point of contention, over the prosecution's alleged abuse of a confidentiality allowances, should be resolved "shortly".

On June 13, judges imposed an indefinite stay on proceedings, due to have started last Monday, after finding that prosecutors had wrongly withheld evidence, notably from the United Nations, from Lubanga's lawyers.

This "misuse" inhibited Lubanga's ability to prepare a proper defence, they said.

Lubanga subsequently applied for release, and on Wednesday the ICC ordered him to be freed from detention. But the prosecution lodged an immediate appeal that suspended Lubanga's release.

"The UN has sent a letter authorising the other parties to have access to the documents," Moreno-Ocampo said Thursday, reiterating that he was confident the trial would kick off by autumn.
If true, this is good news indeed. It would have been very unfortunate if the ICC's first trial had been derailed by the Prosecutor's overbroad use of confidentiality agreements. But at the same time, a Gitmo-style show trial involving secret evidence would have done lasting damage to the Court's legitimacy. The Trial Chamber's decision to stay the trial was thus the right move, because it forced the UN, which is obviously deeply invested in the success of the ICC, to do the right thing and release the evidence.

The judges of the Trial Chamber deserve praise for their willingness to defend the integrity of the system at all costs. I can only imagine the political pressure that was being exerted on them behind the scenes to permit Lubanga's trial to continue. Their bravery led to the only satisfactory resolution of the problem — and helps establishes the critical judicial independence of the Court.

Thursday, July 3, 2008

Permissible Ruse or Perfidy -- the Colombian Hostage Rescue
The media is awash in stories about the stunningly successful rescue operation mounted by the Colombian military that freed 15 long-held hostages from FARC forces. A key part of the operation apparently involved convincing FARC rebels to move the hostages to meet with an "international mission" as the set-up for getting the hostages aboard a Colombian military helicopter and flown to safety. Here's how CNN describes it:


The agents told their FARC comrades that an "international mission" -- such as the Red Cross or a U.N. delegation -- was coming to visit the hostages . . . At the appointed hour, an unmarked white helicopter set down in the jungle along the trekkers' path. Colombian security forces posing as FARC rebels jumped out, some wearing shirts emblazoned with the likeness of revolutionary icon Che Guevara. The helicopter crew told the 60 or so real rebels that the chopper was going to ferry the hostages to the meeting with the "international mission" . . .

All 15 hostages were handcuffed and placed aboard the helicopter, along with two of their guards, leaving the rest of the FARC detachment on the ground. Once the chopper was up and safely away from the landing zone, the fake rebels persuaded the real ones aboard to hand them their weapons. Moments later, both rebels were on the floor of the aircraft, cuffed and blindfolded by their erstwhile comrades . . . A crew member turned and spoke to the hostages. "We are the national military," he said . . . "You are free."



From a legal standpoint, I wonder whether (and how) Colombia's operation complied with its obligations under international law. In an international armed conflict, Colombian forces would be prohibited from committing perfidy—the killing, injuring, or capturing of adversaries by inviting them to believe that they are entitled to, or obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with an intent to betray that confidence. According to Article 37 of Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions (AP I), perfidious acts include feigning civilian/noncombatant status or feigning “protected status” by using signs, emblems or uniforms affiliated with groups such as the Red Cross or the UN. Article 39 also prohibits states from using an adversary's own "emblems, insignia or uniforms . . . while engaging in attacks or in order to shield, favour, protect or impede military operations." In contrast, Article 37 does not prohibit states from using "ruses" — acts that do not feign protected status, but which seek to mislead adversaries and cause them to act recklessly, such as by using misinformation or decoys.

A threshold question, of course, is to what extent the perfidy/ruse distinction applies to the Colombian-FARC conflict. I assume (subject to correction by those more expert in IHL) that AP I itself does not apply. Although Colombia is a party, the FARC conflict appears to fall outside the treaty's scope. AP I applies to international armed conflicts covered by common article 2 of the Geneva Conventions and those armed conflicts "in which peoples are fighting against colonial domination and alien occupation and against racist regimes in the exercise of their right of self-determination, as enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations and the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." None of those scenarios seem applicable to the FARC's fight with the Colombian government (nor do I believe U.S. financial or logistical support to the Colombian government somehow converts this conflict into an international one). In contrast, Additional Protocol II to the Geneva Conventions may apply as it governs classic civil wars (although the tendency of the United States and Colombia to label the FARC as terrorists suggests there's resistance to the civil war label itself). That treaty, however, contains no prohibitions on perfidy.

That leaves the perfidy question to rest on customary international humanitarian law. The International Committee of the Red Cross's lengthy study of customary IHL found perfidy to apply to both international and non-international armed conflicts, suggesting Colombia could not commit perfidy even against the FARC. I'd note, however, that if Colombia follows the U.S. approach, they could challenge whether the ICRC's findings actually reflect the customary rules.

But assuming Colombia was prohibited from perfidy (but allowed ruses) in its rescue mission, did its operation comply with those rules? On the surface, it seems that they did. Perfidy only prohibits the killing, injuring, or capturing of adversary forces, so the use of deception in actually freeing the hostages does not seem to fall within the prohibition. In contrast, where the operation involved the capture of two FARC members, that would implicate the perfidy ban. To figure out if their capture came about because of a ruse or perfidy, however, requires us to know more about the conduct of the operation itself. The media has been careful to emphasize the Colombian military helicopter that made the rescue was "unmarked," suggesting Colombia did not use any protected emblems like those of the UN or the ICRC that are explicitly prohibited. Similarly, the media has not reported Colombian forces using any distinctive FARC emblems or uniforms—they emphasize Colombian agents donning "Che Guevara" shirts, but I'd doubt those qualify as a FARC "emblem, insignia or uniform." (I'm assuming here that the AP I Art. 39 prohibition on posing as the enemy extends to internal armed conflicts such as this, but I'll concede that assumption might not hold up under closer analysis). Similarly, there's no evidence that Colombian forces feigned civilian or non-combatant status at any point, but that might be a function of the relative lack of detail over what happened at this point.

The Colombian military did, however, apparently take advantage of the "international mission" moniker to lure the FARC forces into unwittingly transferring the hostages to the Colombian military. If I were the UN or the ICRC, I'd want to know how specific Colombia was with its story. After all, the point behind the perfidy prohibition is to protect the neutrality of certain actors (and actions) to minimize human suffering in armed conflicts. If folks like the FARC will no longer trust or use the Red Cross as an intermediary for releasing hostages (as they apparently have in the past), what does the future hold for the hundreds of lower-profile hostages still in FARC hands? On the other hand, if it turns out that Colombia conducted its operation with an eye towards IHL and can explain how it avoided perfidy in its actions, that fact might provide welcome evidence that customary rules do operate in internal conflicts and, more generally, support the notion that IHL impacts state behavior. Either way, though, I’m left looking for more information. I'd welcome reader in-put with further facts or analysis.

Wednesday, July 2, 2008

Lubanga Released -- In Theory
As I anticipated a few days ago following the UN's refusal to provide the judges with meaningful access to the disputed evidence, Trial Chamber I has ordered Thomas Lubanga Dyilo's unconditional and immediate release:
30. As just set out, the Chamber's Decision stayed the proceedings sine die because of the present impossibility of trying the accused fairly. It follows that the detention of the accused cannot be justified in order to ensure his appearance at trial or to safeguard the investigation, because the trial (which was the result of the investigation) has been stayed. Furthermore, in the absence of the prospect of a trial, the accused cannot be held in custody or subjected to provisional release as purely preventative measures to deter him from committing further crimes.
The Trial Chamber's decision, however, does not mean that Lubanga will walk out of the Hague anytime soon. First, despite releasing him "unconditionally" and "immediately," the Court stayed his actual release pending appeal of its order by the Prosecutor:
35. Trial Chamber I orders the release of the accused, but since by Rule 154 of the Rules an appeal may be filed no later than 5 days from the date upon which the party filing the appeal is notified of the decision, this order shall not be enforced until the expiry of the 5 day time limit, and, furthermore, if an appeal is filed within the 5 day time-limit against the order granting release and if a request is made in the appeal for suspensive effect, the accused shall not leave detention until the Appeals Chamber has resolved whether or not the effect of the order granting release is to be suspended.
The Prosecutor will no doubt ask the Appeals Chamber to suspend the release order, which means that Lubanga will remain in detention until the Chamber resolves the appeal, however long that takes.

Second — and I doubt this aspect of the order will receive much media attention — the Trial Chamber indicated that Lubanga will be released only if a State is willing to take him:
36. It is to be noted, finally, that by Rule 185 of the Rules, an order releasing the accused shall only be put into effect after arrangements have been made for his transfer to a State that is obliged to receive him. It follows that these arrangements should not be implemented until the 5 day time-limit, set out above, has expired.
That requirement could be a serious problem for Lubanga. I predicted in my forthcoming article "What Happens to the Acquitted?" that ICC acquittees will find it no less difficult to find new homes than ICTR acquittees like Ntagerura and Rwamakuba, and I am confident — sadly — that Lubanga's "release" will prove me right. There is no way the DRC will take him; he is, after all, a rebel. And it is very unlikely that any other State will be enthusiastic about having an accused war criminal walking free on its territory. So I fear that Lubanga may end up sharing the same fate as Ntagerura and Rwamakuba: being "free" to enjoy living as a virtual prisoner in a UN safehouse.

Monday, June 30, 2008

Does Cambodia's Amnesty Have To Be Honored?
This report suggests that this question will soon be considered by the awkwardly named Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia. The question arises in one of the ECCC's first cases where the defendant was allegedly given a royal pardon from an earlier domestic conviction for genocide.

On the face of it, this doesn't seem a hard question since the ECCC is authorized to punish individuals for violations of the Convention Against Genocide, which was probably not the source of law for the earliest conviction. Still, the ECCC is operating under Cambodian, not international, law and this question might be governed by a Cambodian law rule concerning the scope and effect of a royal pardon. A tricky question worth keeping an eye on.

Sunday, June 29, 2008

No Progress in the Lubanga Trial
I recently blogged about Trial Chamber I's stunning decision to stay Thomas Lubanga Dyilo's trial because of the Prosecutor's failure to disclose exculpatory evidence to the defense. The Court held a hearing on the 24th to determine whether, in light of its decision, Lubanga should be released. It has yet to reach a conclusion — but if the "compromise" the UN offered at the hearing is any indication, he might not be in custody too much longer:
In a correspondence from Nicolas Michel, the UN Under-Secretary-General for Legal Affairs, the United Nations proposed that the judges go to the Peace Palace in The Hague, therefore on "UN territory", to consult the documents.

They would not be allowed to take notes, or to record information during their consultation. Thereafter, they could indicate certain pieces of evidence for which the prosecutor would be invited to make a summary. The judges could then compare the summary with the original evidence and decide to reveal these summaries to the defence.

During the hearing of 24 June, Catherine Mabille, the lawyer for Lubanga, has from the start specified that "the defence will not accept summaries, which cannot be evidence".

"If you accept", she declared, that means that the prosecutor signs agreements with the United Nations, and that the UN will dictate to the judges, to justice, what it can hear, what can be said or not."
The judges seem to agree with Mabille: Justice Adrian Fulford told the Prosecutor that the court was "unlikely to approve a system that depends on its ability to memorize large quantities of information which it is unable to retain and study, and compare it with other evidence in the case so as to assess its relevance." His position is sound: the last thing the Court needs is a trial that resembles a Guantanamo military commission. This trial will create the blueprint for future trials; it is thus imperative for the Court to do everything in its power to protect the defendant's rights — even if that ultimately means letting Lubanga walk.

Friday, June 27, 2008

Is the ICC Overreaching in Darfur?
Well, two experts on the Darfur conflict in Sudan think so. More evidence for my argument with Kevin (and Angelina Jolie) about the downside of the ICC actions in Sudan.

Is the International Criminal Court losing its way in Darfur? We fear it is. Chief prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo's approach is fraught with risk -- for the victims of the atrocities in Darfur, for the prospects for peace in Sudan and for the prosecution itself.

We are worried by two aspects of Ocampo's approach, as presented to the U.N. Security Council early this month. One concerns fact: Sudan's government has committed heinous crimes, but Ocampo's comparison of it with Nazi Germany is an exaggeration. The other concerns political consequences: Indicting a senior government figure would be an immense symbolic victory for Darfurians. But Darfur residents need peace, security and deliverable justice more than they need a moment of jubilation. And with President Omar Hassan al-Bashir and his men still in power, a high-level indictment would probably damage all these objectives.




Wednesday, June 25, 2008

Should the U.S. Enact Laws Punishing Crimes Against Humanity? Sure, But It Still Won't Save Darfur
It seems like a no brainer that the U.S. should enact into domestic law punishments for "crimes against humanity." The recently created subcommittee on Human Rights and the Law of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing yesterday to hear one-sided testimony on this question.

And really, is there any objection to enacting a statute making a crime under U.S. law to commit a crime against humanity? It goes without saying that such a criminal statute, to be truly useful, would require the U.S. to assert some pretty expansive theories of jurisdiction, maybe even universal jurisdiction. (The recent amendments to the statute punishing genocide have arguably done that). But this is probably not a real objection. If any crime supports the assertion of universal jurisdiction, I would think "crimes against humanity" would suffice.

As some of the testimony at the hearing suggested, the practical need for such a law is driven by the difficulty in proving the crime of genocide, especially the specific intent component of genocide (See Prof. Diane Orentlicher's testimony here for this argument).

Interestingly, none of the testimony (as far as I know) pointed out that while there is no criminal punishment in U.S. law for crimes against humanity, there is a civil sanction: a civil lawsuit under the Alien Tort Statute. As a longstanding critic of the ATS, I would prefer the criminal punishment, of course, but given the higher standards of proof required for a criminal prosecution, I don't really buy the claim that folks committing crimes against humanity can wander the U.S. in impunity. In other words, I highly doubt there will be any additional deterrence effect created by adding a criminal sanction to the civil sanction. To some degree, therefore, this whole hearing was grandstanding by the Senators so they could tell themselves that they are doing something about Darfur (when in fact they are pretty much doing nothing to help prevent further deaths in Sudan).

Still, I have to applaud the Senate's interest and the signs of congressional leadership on the incorporation of international law norms into U.S. law. Congress, I have argued elsewhere, is the proper institution for incorporating such norms (and not the courts) so it is nice to see Congress stepping up to its responsibilities here to develop international law, even if they aren't doing much at this point to protect international human rights in Sudan.

Tuesday, June 24, 2008

Belgium "Investigating" Bagambiki at Rwanda's Request
No, Virginia, being unanimously acquitted by an international tribunal's trial and appeals chambers doesn't mean very much:
Belgium has confirmed that it was investigating Emmanuel Bagambiki, former Governor of Cyangugu during the 1994 genocide, who was acquitted by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR) and who is sought by Rwanda, reports Hirondelle Agency .

"The federal prosecutor is looking at the [Bagambiki's] extradition request and that there is an arrest warrant issued against him [by Rwanda]','said Lieve Pellens spokesperson of the prosecutor.

However, he hinted that Belgium and Rwanda, for the time being, do not have an extradition agreement, but affirmed that Investigations were underway against the former Rwandan official, who is living in Belgium with his family.

Following his final acquittal by the ICTR appeals court, on 8 February 2006, for crimes of genocide and crimes against humanity, Rwanda decided to prosecute the former Governor for rape, for which he was not tried by the UN tribunal.

On 10 October 2007, the Court of First Instance of Rusizi, his native region, sentenced Bagambiki in absentia to life in prison for rape and incitement to commit rape.

A source told Hirondelle that the federal prosecutor, Phillippe Meire, had recently travelled to Rwanda to follow up on the judgement.

If extradition was rejected, Belgium could decide to prosecute Bagambiki itself if there was any convincing evidence.
Rwanda's attempt to get their hands on Bagambiki is unlikely to succeed, given that the European Convention on Extradition prohibits extradition when the request is based on a conviction obtained in absentia. It is also unlikely that Belgium would prosecute Bagambiki for the rapes itself, because -- as I have explained elsewhere -- the rape charges are based on the same modes of participation (direct participation and command responsibility) that the ICTR unanimously rejected. Why, then, is Belgium continuing this legal charade? There seems to be only one answer: it is trying to punish Bagambiki for seeking aslyum -- and ultimately receiving it by court order, over government protests -- in Belgium.

Charades like this make a mockery of international criminal justice -- William Haynes writ large: "We can't have acquittals. We've been holding these guys for years. How can we explain acquittals? We have to have convictions."

Monday, June 16, 2008

The ICC Stays Lubanga's Prosecution -- and May Let Him Walk...
In what can only be described as a stunning development, Trial Chamber I has stayed Thomas Lubanga Dyilo's trial because of the Prosecutor's failure to disclose exculpatory evidence to the defense. Indeed, the decision seems to indicate that unless the Prosecutor reverses course and agrees to disclose the evidence, the Trial Chamber is prepared to dismiss the charges and allow Lubanga to go free. A hearing on that issue is scheduled for June 24.

The Trial Chamber's decision turns on the interpretation of Article 54(3)(e) of the Rome Statute, which provides as follows:
Duties and powers of the Prosecutor with respect to investigations
[...]
3. The Prosecutor may:
[...]
(e) Agree not to disclose, at any stage of the proceedings, documents or information that the Prosecutor obtains on the condition of confidentiality and solely for the purpose of generating new evidence, unless the provider of the information consents.
During the early stages of his investigation, the Prosecutor entered into dozens of Article 54 agreements with various information providers, including the UN. Because of those agreements, the Prosecutor now finds himself unable to disclose more than 200 potentially-exculpatory documents not only to the defense, but even to the Trial Chamber itself:
64. The prosecution is unable to disclose any of these items of evidence to the accused, in full or in a redacted form. Furthermore, save for a limited number of documents (32) that have been supplied to the Chamber by six unidentified information-providers in redacted form, the prosecution (given the terms of the agreements) is unable to show them to the Chamber. This is because the information-providers do not consent to the judges viewing copies of the original materials (in the majority of instances the Chamber cannot be shown the documents at all), notwithstanding an undertaking which has been given by the judges to uphold the confidential status of the documents or information, unless consent is given by the information-providers for their wider distribution.
In defense of his non-disclosure, the Prosecutor argued that "[d]espite the requirements of Article 54(3)(e) that confidentiality agreements are to be used solely for the purpose of generating new evidence... evidence which it is anticipated may be used during the trial can also be obtained pursuant to Article 54(3)(e)." The Trial Chamber rejected that interpretation of Article 54 in no uncertain terms:
72. The prosecution has given Article 54(3)(e) a broad and incorrect interpretation: it has utilised the provision routinely, in inappropriate circumstances, instead of resorting to it exceptionally, when particular, restrictive circumstances apply. Indeed, the prosecution conceded in open court that agreements reached under Article 54(3) (e) have been used generally to gather information, unconnected with its springboard or lead potential.

[snip]

73. Therefore, although the Chamber does not have the information necessary to analyse the circumstances in which each of the individual documents was supplied to the prosecution, the overall picture is clear: the prosecution's general approach has been to use Article 54(3)(e) to obtain a wide range of materials under the cloak of confidentiality, in order to identify from those materials evidence to be used at trial (having obtained the information provider's consent). This is the exact opposite of the proper use of the provision, which is, exceptionally, to allow the prosecution to receive information or documents which are not for use at trial but which are instead intended to "lead" to new evidence. The prosecution's approach constitutes a wholesale and serious abuse, and a violation of an important provision which was intended to allow the prosecution to receive evidence confidentially, in very restrictive circumstances. The logic of the prosecution's position is that all of the evidence that it obtains from information-providers can be the subject of Article 54(3)(e) agreements.
The Trial Chamber was particularly aggrieved by the Prosecutor's refusal to disclose the confidential information to the bench. As the Chamber pointed out, it — not the Prosecutor — is ultimately responsible for ensuring that the defendant receives a fair trial:
88. Although the prosecution, as a first stage in this procedure, must make the initial decision as to the exculpatory value or effect of any piece of evidence under Article 67(2) ("evidence in the Prosecutor's possession or control which he or she believes shows or tends to show the innocence of the accused, or to mitigate the guilt of the accused, or which may affect the credibility of prosecution evidence"), once this threshold is passed and it is accepted that the material has, potentially, an exculpatory effect, only the Chamber can make a decision on non-disclosure if exceptional circumstances so require. If it is proposed that evidence of this kind should be withheld, it is to be put before the judges in its original form and in its entirety. The ultimate responsibility for securing justice and ensuring fairness has been given to the Chamber (Article 64(2) of the Statute) and these responsibilities cannot be delegated by, or removed from, the judges. In this case, the Bench has been prevented from assessing for itself the impact on the fairness of these proceedings should the evidence remain undisclosed,142 and the approach of the prosecution means, inter alia, that for the purposes of Article 67(2), the Chamber could never, "in case of doubt", make a decision (because it will be unable to view the underlying material).
The Trial Chamber thus held — reluctantly, because it knows that its decision may well lead to Lubanga's release — that it had no other choice but to stay the proceedings:
91. This is an international criminal court, with the sole purpose of trying those charged with the "most serious crimes of concern to the international community as a whole" and the judges are enjoined, in discharging this important role, to ensure that the accused receives a fair trial. If, at the outset, it is clear that the essential preconditions of a fair trial are missing and there is no sufficient indication that this will be resolved during the trial process, it is necessary - indeed, inevitable - that the proceedings should be stayed. It would be wholly wrong for a criminal court to begin, or to continue, a trial once it has become clear that the inevitable conclusion in the final judgment will be that the proceedings are vitiated because of unfairness which will not be rectified. In this instance, in its filing of 9 June 2008, the prosecution went no further than raising the possibility that the Chamber may be provided at some stage in the future with no more than incomplete and insufficient materials. There is, therefore, no prospect, on the information before the Chamber, that the present deficiencies will be corrected.
As mentioned above, a hearing on the consequences of the Prosecutor's failure to disclose the exculpatory evidence is scheduled for June 24. The Prosecutor has two choices: disclose the evidence or face the very real possibility that Lubanga will go free.

This is clearly a landmark decision. It would obviously be a tragedy if Lubanga was released — but there was no way that the Trial Chamber could approve of the Prosecutor's woefully overbroad use of Article 54, given the vast amount of exculpatory evidence that would thereby have gone undisclosed. The Prosecutor's decision to use Article 54 in that way is a mystery, as is his decision to promise the information providers that he would not even disclose the confidential information to the Trial Chamber. Given today's decision, I doubt he will make either mistake again.

Thursday, June 12, 2008

Israeli Supreme Court Upholds Unlawful Combatants Law
As our Boumediene instant symposium gets underway, I thought it might be interesting to note that the Israeli Supreme Court has just upheld the Incarceration of Unlawful Combatants Law, which permits the indefinite detention of a person who does not qualify for POW status and "who has participated either directly or indirectly in hostile acts against the State of Israel or is a member of a force perpetrating hostile acts against the State of Israel." From Ha'aretz:
The Supreme Court yesterday upheld the constitutionality of the law allowing for the detention of "unlawful combatants," which Israel uses to hold Hezbollah fighters.

Supreme Court President Dorit Beinisch and Justices Edmond Levy and Ayala Procaccia rejected an appeal by two Gazan Palestinians who were detained after their involvement in terror activity on behalf of Hezbollah was proved.

The Unlawful Combatants Law authorizes the state to detain foreign nationals who belong to terror organizations or have participated directly or indirectly in hostile actions against the State of Israel.

Its goal is to prevent their continued activities.

Beinisch wrote in the verdict that although the law involves substantial harm and the suppression of personal freedom through administrative detention, the harm is proportional.

She noted that it was passed in a "harsh security reality" that justifies the violation of to personal freedom.

"The law's harm to the constitutional right to personal freedom, although substantial, is no greater than necessary," Beinisch wrote.

"Therefore, we have concluded that the law meets the criteria of the limitations ruling and there is no constitutional grounds to intervene in it."
The Unlawful Combatants Law requires a District Court to determine every six months whether a prisoner's release "will not harm State security" or whether "there are special grounds justifying his release"; the court's decision can then be appealed to a single judge of the Supreme Court for review. Scholars question, however, whether the Law's review procedures adequately protect prisoners' rights. Here is what Ron Dudai of SOAS had to say two years ago, when the Israeli Supreme Court first upheld the detention of "unlawful combatants":
Yet how powerful can this judicial review be? Not only does the Illegal Combatants law create a new category not recognized in international law, it reverses the burden of proof. Once an order is signed by the Chief of Staff, the burden of proof is on the defendant: he has to prove to the court that he is not an enemy combatant. Moreover, he is expected do this when the charge against him is based solely on classified evidence, which he is barred from examining and is therefore unable to challenge. One of the defendants told the court he was arrested in his house, for no reason, and added that if he were exposed to the evidence against him he would be able to respond. But that, of course, did not happen. After the defense lawyers argued their case, they and their clients had to exit the courtroom, leaving the security services’ representatives to reveal their secret evidence to the judge.
Food for comparative thought.

Wednesday, June 11, 2008

Major War Criminal Arrested in Serbia
Very encouraging news out of Serbia -- Stojan Zupljanin, the commander of the Bosnian police during the war, has been arrested and will be handed over to the ICTY for prosecution:
Bosnian Serb security chief Stojan Zupljanin, 56, was one of four suspects sought by the tribunal for war crimes in the territory of former Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

Their arrest and handover to the tribunal has been a condition of Serbia's progress towards EU membership.

"There was no resistance during his arrest," said Vladimir Vukcevic, Serbia's chief war crimes prosecutor, who coordinated the operation. "This arrest shows clearly that we are seriously cooperating (with the Hague)."

Zupljanin was found at an apartment about 8 km (5 miles) from the centre of Belgrade by police and security agents and will be extradited within in 72 hours, officials said.

The arrest comes as Serbia, deeply split between nationalists and a pro-EU bloc after inconclusive elections last month, is immersed in intense coalition negotiations.

Officials said Zupljanin had foiled a previous attempt to arrest him in the southern Serbian city of Nis two months ago. His family had publicly called on him to surrender, to spare them further notoriety and financial collapse.

[snip]

The EU welcomed the arrest.

"It is an important step towards full cooperation with (the tribunal), which is key to bringing justice and lasting reconciliation in the Western Balkans region," EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn said in a statement.

In Washington, the State Department also praised Serbia.

"His arrest is another positive step towards insuring those responsible for war crimes committed in the former Yugoslavia are held accountable," said State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos.

The U.S. hoped the arrest of Mladic, Karadzic and Hadzic, would follow, and "we call on authorities in the region to bring them to justice," he said.

Analysts said Wednesday's arrest may indicate that a pro-European coalition was the most likely outcome of Serbia's month-long government negotiations.

"It might also be seen as an announcement that it's more realistic to have a government that will follow a pro-European path," said political analyst Zoran Stojiljkovic.

The Democratic party leading the pro-Western bloc said the arrest signalled Serbia may gain EU candidate status by the end of the year. The Radical party, spearheading the nationalist grouping, slammed it as a black page in Serbia's history.
Hat-Tip: Una Hardester of USCRI.

Tuesday, June 10, 2008

GITMO Interrogators Instructed to Destroy Notes
First the judge who felt "badgered, beaten, and bruised" by prosecutors for trying to protect Khadr's rights was removed from the case "for personnel reasons." Now it turns out that Khadr's interrogators were "instructed" -- read: ordered -- to destroy their notes, lest anyone ever find out that Khadr had been tortured or mistreated:
Navy Lieutenant Commander Bill Kuebler said in a statement sent to reporters he considers the notes crucial to the defense of his client, Canadian Omar Khadr, during his upcoming murder trial by a special military tribunal at the US naval base.

Kuebler said the instructions were handed down to interrogators from the US Department of Defense as part of a standard operating procedure or "SOP" directive that he obtained from prosecutors last week.

If they were carried out, US interrogators may have "routinely destroyed evidence" that might have been used to defend the Khadr and other detainees, Kuebler charged.

"If handwritten notes were destroyed in accordance with the SOP, the government intentionally deprived Omar's lawyers of key evidence with which to challenge the reliability" of alleged confessions made to military interrogators, Kuebler said.

He cited in particular one passage of the directive to military interrogators stating that "this mission has legal and political issues that may lead to interrogators being called to testify."

"Keeping the number of documents with interrogation information to a minimum can minimize certain legal issues," the policy statement said, according to Kuebler.
Yes, it certainly can. So can suborning perjury and fabricating evidence -- but that doesn't make them good ideas.

Can we please stop pretending that the (un)fairness of military commissions is still open to rational debate?

Monday, June 9, 2008

The ICC's Foiled Extraordinary Rendition
Kevin has no doubt put his finger on the key issues facing the ICC and Sudan. Plainly, the ICC is raising the stakes in its investigation of Sudan, a risky proposition given certain fragile peace accords emerging. More interesting to me is that the ICC last week revealed that it tried to capture wanted Sudan minister Ahmed Harun via an extraordinary rendition.

The plan, apparently, was to divert Harun's plane away from its destination: Mecca, Saudi Arabia - and toward some ICC member state where he would be arrested and turned over the ICC custody.

The details are fuzzy. How would the plane have been "diverted." Via some country's military interceptors or via the crew of the plane itself? Isn't such a diversion a possible violation of Sudanese sovereignty, tantamount to hijacking? It is essentially equivalent to sending avcovert force into Sudan and seizing Harun, and dragging him back to an ICC member state.

Of course, both the airplane scheme and the covert ops scheme can draw on the UN Security Council resolution authorizing the ICC case against Sudan. Even so, it is a bit sketchy legally since that resolution does not seem to provide clear authority for this. I can see the ICC's defenders here saying this was still worth it, if you could get a guy like Harun. This is no doubt true, but it is hardly different from the U.S. claiming similar pragmatic reasons to seize and render suspected terrorists. Or is it?

Saturday, June 7, 2008

New Developments Regarding the ICC and Darfur
The ICL community is abuzz with news that the ICC Prosecutor appears ready to issue new indictments that connect the "whole state apparatus" in Sudan to the crimes against humanity committed in Darfur. Here's Mark Leon Goldberg:
This is a big deal. On the one hand, indicting top government officials could seriously disrupt current diplomatic efforts to coax and cajole Khartoum into cooperating with the deployment of peacekeepers in Darfur. The international community also needs Khartoum's cooperation to shore up the separate peace agreement with the south and resolve the conflict in the Abyei region. Another way of looking at this, though, is that current international efforts to bolster UNAMID are already fledgling. Fighting in Abyei has already broken out (causing some 50,000 displaced) the north-south peace accord is already fledgling. This new intervention by the ICC, if it comes, could provide a critical point of political leverage over the political elites calling the shots in Khartoum.

So far, the international community has not been able to convince the Sudanese government that it is in their best interests to cooperate on Darfur, Abyei, and elsewhere. The threat of indictment (and the ability of the Security Council to suspend those indictments) could inject the necessary impetus for the government to finally take a conciliatory stance toward the international community. The problem is, ICC indictments are a relatively new phenomenon on the international stage. Diplomats seem not yet to have quite learned the best way use these indictments to serve their political ends. Here's hoping they learn fast.
I agree with Mark that this is a big deal. New indictments, particularly of Sudan's top leadership, will further isolate the murderous regime in Khartoum. I'm less sanguine, however, that they would encourage the Sudanese government to take a conciliatory stance toward the international community. It seems to me that the opposite is true -- that Sudan will simply ignore the new indictments and continue to level its ridiculous allegations of political bias against the ICC. That doesn't mean the Prosecutor's intended actions are ill-advised; on the contrary, Sudan's patrons, particularly China, may well find it more difficult to support the Sudanese government if all or most of its top leaders are indicted -- a worthy and necessary outcome. But we shouldn't have any illusions about how the Sudanese government will react.

Another aspect of the Prosecutor's recent statements are worth noting -- namely, that he is also considering whether to bring genocide charges regarding Darfur:
The international criminal court (ICC) is refusing to dismiss the possibility of genocide in Sudan's wartorn Darfur region, its chief prosecutor has said.

Chief prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo made the claim in a briefing to MPs and peers in parliament 15 months after the ICC named Sudan's humanitarian affairs minister, Ahmed Haroun, and Ali Kosheib, Janjaweed leader, as chief suspects of war crimes against humanity in Darfur.

Mr Moreno-Ocampo said he had established a "clear case" against the two suspects based on crimes against humanity.

"We never dismiss genocide", he explained, adding that a "second investigation" is currently underway considering this "second aspect" of the Darfur crisis.
This is a huge deal, and I'm mystified as to why it has not received more media attention. NGOs and some governments, particularly the US, have long claimed that the Sudanese government's actions in Darfur amounted to genocide. Nevertheless, the Security Council-sponsored Report of the International Commission of Inquiry on Darfur specifically rejected that conclusion (though it did say that individual government officials and janjaweed militiamen might have acted with genocidal intent):
The Commission concluded that the Government of the Sudan has not pursued a policy of genocide. Arguably, two elements of genocide might be deduced from the gross violations of human rights perpetrated by Government forces and the militias under their control. These two elements are, first, the actus reus consisting of killing, or causing serious bodily or mental harm, or deliberately inflicting conditions of life likely to bring about physical destruction; and, second, on the basis of a subjective standard, the existence of a protected group being targeted by the authors of criminal conduct. However, the crucial element of genocidal intent appears to be missing, at least as far as the central Government authorities are concerned. Generally speaking the policy of attacking, killing and forcibly displacing members of some tribes does not evince a specific intent to annihilate, in whole or in part, a group distinguished on racial, ethnic, national or religious grounds. Rather, it would seem that those who planned and organized attacks on villages pursued the intent to drive the victims from their homes, primarily for purposes of counter-insurgency warfare.
I think the Commission's report is very convincing, so it will be interesting to see whether the Prosecutor has been able to develop new evidence of a genocidal policy. Unless he has, any attempt to charge the Sudanese government with genocide will make it seem like he is simply giving in to western political pressure -- a result that, however unjustified, would further damage his already shaky reputation for independence.

Tuesday, June 3, 2008

ICTR Refuses to Transfer Munyakazi to Rwanda
Last month, I noted that the ICTR Prosecutor had "disowned" Human Rights Watch for daring to criticize his request to refer Yusuf Munyakazi to Rwanda for trial. I guess he'll now have to disown Trial Chamber III, as well, because on Monday it agreed with HRW and rejected the referral:
Chances of genocide suspect and former Rwandan Interhamwe militia leader Yussuf Munyakazi of being tried on home ground were diminished on Wednesday when the United Nations war crimes tribunal rebuffed opposition application to hold the trial in the small east African state.

Mr Munyakazi is facing charges of the 1994 Rwanda genocide in which UN estimates show that over 800,000 people, mostly ethnic Tutsis and moderate Hutus were allegedly murdered by his armed forces between April and July.

The 73 year-old former farmer and businessman was arrested in the neighbouring Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) in 2004, prior to being brought before the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR).

He allegedly masterminded and in some instances, actually participated in the killing of the Tutsis who had sought sanctuary in numerous churches in Rwanda’s Bugarame commune.
The Trial Chamber's decision is comprehensive and well-reasoned. National referrals are governed by Rule 11bis, which provides in relevant part that "[i]n determining whether to refer the case... the Trial Chamber shall satisfy itself that the accused will receive a fair trial in the courts of the State concerned and that the death penalty will not be imposed or carried out."

The Trial Chamber began by noting that Rwanda had, in fact, abolished the death penalty. It pointed out, however, that defendants convicted in Rwandan courts of torture, murder, genocide, and crimes against humanity will be sentenced to life imprisonment "with special conditions" — namely, life imprisonment in permanent isolation from other prisoners. Such punishment, the Trial Chamber held, was inconsistent with international standards for detention, which require imprisonment in isolation to be an exceptional punishment "applicable only where necessary and proportionate" and to be imposed with numerous procedural safeguards, such as periodic judicial review to determine whether isolation remains necessary. Those safeguards are completely absent from Rwandan law.

Although the isolation ground would likely have been enough to deny the referral, the Trial Chamber offered two additional grounds for denying it:
  • One judge would have presided over Munyakazi's trial, making the court particularly susceptible to political pressure from the Rwandan government — which has a long history of undermining the independence of the judiciary. (A panel of three judges, the Trial Chamber noted, would likely satisfy Rule 11bis. At present, however, Rwandan law does not provide for such panels.)

  • The Rwandan government has consistently harassed, arrested, detained, and sometimes even killed witnesses for the defense, making it unlikely that Munyakazi would have the ability to secure and examine witnesses "under the same conditions as witnesses against him," a right guaranteed by Article 20 of the ICTR Statute. Moreover, the Trial Chamber noted that the Rwandan government has done nothing to help defendants in Rwandan courts obtain witnesses who are located outside of Rwanda.
The Trial Chamber's decision obviously represents a significant setback for the ICTR's completion strategy. Rwanda will now have to make additional, and likely time-consuming, changes to its criminal-justice system if it wants to receive the 17 suspects the ICTR intends to transfer. That said, the decision will no doubt help legitimize the completion strategy itself, which many have criticized — including an ICTR appellate judge — as being far less concerned with fairness to defendants than with dissolving the ICTR as quickly and cheaply as possible. At the administrative level, those criticisms may still hold. Fortunately, at least for now, the Trial Chamber seems disinclined to play along.

Thursday, May 29, 2008

Just One Question...
The British newspaper The Guardian is currently having Hay Festival, major book festival.

With all these writers and public figures around, there are some fun possibilities. As the folks at The Guradian put it:
Hay is full of the cleverest and sharpest minds, but if they could ask one person just a single question, who would they choose - and what would they ask? We brought them together to find out.
Here are two examples that I thought Opinio Juris readers might find interesting:
George Monbiot, author and Guardian columnist asks John Bolton, former US ambassador to the UN

Q The International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg ruled that "to initiate a war of aggression ... is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime". You were instrumental in manufacturing the case for war with Iraq, using false intelligence. Why should you not be put on trial as a war criminal?

A Since the Security Council's unanimous 1991 adoption of Resolution 678 - the ceasefire resolution ending the first Persian Gulf war - Saddam Hussein's regime repeatedly violated it. By systematically demonstrating its unwillingness to abide by Security Council resolutions, Iraq violated the terms of the ceasefire in countless ways. By so doing, Iraq vitiated the ceasefire, and revived the initial authority under Security Council Resolution 678 to use all necessary means to deal with the threat posed to international peace and security by Iraq. Accordingly, the premises of your question are erroneous in law and erroneous in fact.



John Bolton, former US ambassador to the UN asks James Naughtie, broadcaster

Q
How much longer will the state own the BBC and why?

A If John Bolton hasn't yet worked out the difference between state-owned and publicly funded, it's probably too late to hope for enlightenment. But the distinction is the one that matters. The implication that the BBC's public funding puts it in thrall to government is simply wrong. The founding charter protects us from interfering ministers just as it obliges all of us to practise independent journalism. I think that has produced a healthier broadcasting environment than the one the US now enjoys. And as it happens, many Americans seem to agree, because the number of listeners and viewers there is rising fast. So I hope our form of ownership remains indefinitely.





Wednesday, May 28, 2008

Learning from the Legacy of Telford Taylor
We all know the adage that those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it. In a recent op-ed, Mark Shulman of Pace Law School shows how if only the Bush Administration had remembered history, they may have repeated it.

Shulman, who besides being a lawyer also has a doctorate in history and a particular expertise in military history, explains how the legacy of Telford Taylor, one of the Nuremberg prosecutors, could have been a guide to avoid the pitfalls of the current administration’s detention and interrogation policies.

The op-ed was published on May 23rd, the tenth anniversary of Taylor’s death. Shulman reminds us that Taylor used humane methods when interrogating Nazis prior to the trial. But, more than that, Shulman also highlights how Taylor's experiences at Nuremberg informed his ongoing legal career and his devotion to the rule of law:
Having spent the 1940s witnessing the effects of a government that held itself above the law, Taylor dedicated the remainder of his long life to ensuring a robust rule of law, evenly applied.

During the McCarthy era, he defended the First Amendment rights of Communists. In the 1960s he appeared before hostile Southern courts to defend the Freedom Riders from persecution. In 1970 he decried both North Vietnam's heinous treatment of POWs and the indiscriminate U.S. bombing campaigns.

He wrote, "The laws of war do not apply only to the suspected criminals of vanquished nations. There is no moral or legal basis for immunizing victorious nations from scrutiny. The laws of war are not a one-way street."

Throughout his career, Taylor promoted a strong America guided by wise policies and robust institutions. His final report from Nuremberg concluded: "By prudent military preparedness, by unflagging efforts to lay the groundwork for international society and the rule of law among nations, and by constant improvement in the economic and social foundations of our own democracy, we may hope at one and the same time to undermine these destructive and tyrannical forces and obviate the necessity for a victory by force of arms."
Contrast Taylor's words and actions with those of so many senior adminsitration lawyers. And then imagine if history had, in one small way, repeated itself: if the War on Terror had actually inspired in the the current administration an increased commitment to the rule of law, both domestic and international. But unfortunately that is an alternate history to our own.

Shulman’s whole essay is well worth the read. Especially by those who do (or hope to) wield power.

Tuesday, May 20, 2008

Dave Glazier on the Wall Street Journal on Gitmo Defense Attorneys
Over at National Security Advisors, our colleague Dave Glazier has a superb post on whether the Gitmo defense attorneys are responsible for the ills of the military commissions, as the Wall Street Journal's far-right editorial page seems to believe. Here's the intro:
The Wall Street Journal published a scathing editorial today blasting the military and civilian defense attorneys it portrays as unreasonably obstructing the capital military commission prosecutions of high value terrorists, including alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM). It is not surprising that a paper noted for its politically conservative editorial stance should defend the government's general approach to the so-called "War on Terror." But it is disappointing to see the editors of a paper that is generally well regarded for the basic quality of its journalism get so many points of law, history, and fact wrong, as well as to question the integrity of so many career military lawyers and judges. It is also ironic to see how far the editors have shifted their views on the role of law and justice since the time of the trial they hold up as a prototype.
The post includes a fascinating discussion of the events underlying Ex parte Quirin — and the Journal's rather different take on that case in 1942. Check it out!

Saturday, May 17, 2008

Australia Considers ICJ Genocide Case Against Iran
I have thought all along that bringing an ICJ case against Iran for "incitement to genocide" against Jews in Israel is a useless gesture (and one with a weak legal footing to boot). But former U.S. presidential candidate Mitt Romney seemed attracted by the idea, and now, new Australian Prime Minister Paul Rudd is saying that Australia is seriously considering such a case.

The Australian government is mulling over a decision to haul Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad before the International Court of Justice for inciting violence against Israel and denying Jewish holocaust, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said Wednesday.

I vaguely recall that this was a campaign pledge of some sort during the recent Australian elections. And Australia definitely has all the legal resources to bring a respectable case (unlike Iran's flirtation with Professor Boyle). In any event, it is odd that Australia would be able to bring such a case given that there is no incitement against Australia, but as a number of commenters have reminded me, suffering an injury doesn't seem to matter for a genocide claim. The relevant article seems to be Article 9 of the Convention Against Genocide:

Disputes between the Contracting Parties relating to the interpretation, application or fulfilment of the present Convention, including those relating to the responsibility of a State for genocide or for any of the other acts enumerated in article III, shall be submitted to the International Court of Justice at the request of any of the parties to the dispute.


And I suppose the key article will be Article 3(c) ("The following acts shall be punishable: (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;")

I just don't think there is the factual basis for such a case (yet). But I'm no expert. Luckily, we have recently had some experts, namely Professor Susan Benesch, weigh in during our recent VJIL symposium. Under her six part approach, I don't think Australia has a case (yet) (see pp. 527-28). But in any event, I do hope that the Australian government is consulting her.